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  EASTER QUIZ: Where is the missing prophecy Jesus fulfilled?

  by Terry in

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  since today is celebrated by christians all over the world as easter sunday.... here is sort of a puzzle to solve--if you are interested in things such as this.. .

  we begin with luke 24:46. we have a claim being made about a prophecy.. speaking to his disciples on the night of his alleged resurrection, he said, "thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day.

  " that the resurrection of christ on the third day was prophesied in the scriptures was claimed also by the apostle paul in 1 corinthians 15:3-4: "for i delivered to you first of all that which i also received: that christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Unless those scriptures are in what they call the 'Lost/rejected texts of the bible' ????
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  Blondie can you help me find your research "How to treat disfellowshiped JWs"?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
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  blondie i was reading where you posted information from 1952 onward on how we are to treat disfellowshiped members of our spiritual and physical family.

  you posted information from the kms, wt and other sources.

  i did a search and can't find it, one of the tidbits of information said that if a brother or sister has contact with the "disfellowshiped member" they should be disfellowshiped too.

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  Newly Enlightened

  This might be the one you're looking for: WT 1952 11/15 pg 703-704

  Questions

  From Readers

  In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P.C.,Ontario,Canada.

  We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. “Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.”—Deut. 13:6-11, AS.

  Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof.
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  Blondie can you help me find your research "How to treat disfellowshiped JWs"?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  blondie i was reading where you posted information from 1952 onward on how we are to treat disfellowshiped members of our spiritual and physical family.

  you posted information from the kms, wt and other sources.

  i did a search and can't find it, one of the tidbits of information said that if a brother or sister has contact with the "disfellowshiped member" they should be disfellowshiped too.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Your welcome. I'm having difficulties with the formatting as you can see above by the small print. But there are a few

  WT 70 6/1 pg 351-352

  Question?

  How should a faithful Christian act toward a relative outside the immediate family circle who has been disfellowshiped?—N.W ns

  The next verse emphasizes the seriousness of this: “For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 John 11) This does not necessarily mean that a Christian who speaks with one who was disfellowshiped for stealing, for example, is himself becoming a thief, though that could easily occur. But by disregarding God’s counsel and talking to that one he is as much as saying that he approves of the thief’s conduct, as if it does not matter.

  Thus we have established from the Bible itself the basic position of a faithful Christian toward a disfellowshiped one—have no fellowship at all with him, not even speaking with him. Now what if that expelled person is a relative?

  Where the disfellowshiped individual and the faithful Christian are in the same family, living in the same household, such as a man and wife, other Biblical factors come into play. If the wife of a Christian man were disfellowshiped for lying, he still would be married to her; the Bible says that they are joined together as one flesh. (Eph. 5:31) In that case he would still have to care for her as his wife and a member of his household. This would involve talking with her about the daily matters of their life Yet, out of respect for the disfellowshiping decree, which severed their connection as spiritual brother and sister, he definitely would not conduct a Bible study with her or have fellowship on spiritual matters. (For more details, see TheWatchtower of July 15, 1963, pages 444-446.)

  ., WT 93 10/1 pg 19 pp 15 Regarding them, the psalmist said: “Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you,O Jehovah,and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you?With a complete hatred I do hate them.They have become to me real enemies.” (Psalm 139:21, 22) It was because they intensely hated Jehovah that David looked on them with abhorrence. Apostates are included among those who show their hatred of Jehovah by revolting against him. Apostasy is, in reality, a rebellion against Jehovah. Some apostates profess to know and serve God, but they reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible, but they reject Jehovah’s organization and actively try to hinder its work. When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.
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  Blondie can you help me find your research "How to treat disfellowshiped JWs"?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  blondie i was reading where you posted information from 1952 onward on how we are to treat disfellowshiped members of our spiritual and physical family.

  you posted information from the kms, wt and other sources.

  i did a search and can't find it, one of the tidbits of information said that if a brother or sister has contact with the "disfellowshiped member" they should be disfellowshiped too.

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  Newly Enlightened

  I'm not Blondie, but I would like to help if I can...

  WT 81 9/15 pg 24-26:

  NOT SHARING IN WICKED WORKS

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  All faithful Christians need to take to heart the serious truth that God inspired John to write: “He that says a greeting to [an expelled sinner who is promoting an erroneous teaching or carrying on ungodly conduct] is a sharer in his wicked works.”—2 John 11.

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  Many of Christendom’s commentators take exception to 2 John 11. They claim that it is ‘unchristian counsel, contrary to the spirit of our Lord,’ or that it encourages intolerance. Yet such sentiments emanate from religious organizations that do not apply God’s command to “remove the wicked man from among yourselves,” that seldom if ever expel even notorious wrongdoers from their churches. (1 Cor. 5:13) Their “tolerance” is unscriptural, unchristian.—Matt. 7:21-23; 25:24-30; John 8:44.

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  But it is not wrong to be loyal to the righteous and just God of the Bible. He tells us that he will accept ‘in his holy mountain’ only those who walk faultlessly, practice righteousness and speak truth. (Ps. 15:1-5) If, though, a Christian were to throw in his lot with a wrongdoer who has been rejected by God and disfellowshiped, or has disassociated himself, that would be as much as saying ‘I do not want a place in God’s holy mountain either.’ If the elders saw him heading in that direction by regularly keeping company with a disfellowshiped person, they would lovingly and patiently try to help him to regain God’s view. (Matt. 18:18; Gal. 6:1) They would admonish him and, if necessary, ‘reprove him with severity.’ They want to help him remain ‘in God’s holy mountain.’ But if he will not cease to fellowship with the expelled person, he thus has made himself ‘a sharer (supporting or participating) in the wicked works’ and must be removed from the congregation, expelled.—Titus 1:13; Jude 22, 23; compare Numbers 6:26.
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  My daughter reconnected with her childhood JW friend

  by Quandry in

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  Newly Enlightened

  Awesome experiences. So glad so many are waking up.
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  All Ex-Elders, Mr.Flipper going to Final MeetingW/Elders! I'll be careful!

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello ex-elders, onthe wayout, snakes, and wilyloman, just to refresh about a month ago i told you all that the appeal committee had overturned the disfellowshipping decision by the original jc as the appeal committee got a hold of me by phone and told me the society gave them direction in this.

  i have since explained the situation to my witness mom and dad, 80 &82, they are good with it.

  i am taking copies of the counsel you ex elders gave to me to be careful about what i say at this "alleged encouragement" meeting and promise you this, i'll watch my words carefully when they ask me questions.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Thank you very much!
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  All Ex-Elders, Mr.Flipper going to Final MeetingW/Elders! I'll be careful!

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello ex-elders, onthe wayout, snakes, and wilyloman, just to refresh about a month ago i told you all that the appeal committee had overturned the disfellowshipping decision by the original jc as the appeal committee got a hold of me by phone and told me the society gave them direction in this.

  i have since explained the situation to my witness mom and dad, 80 &82, they are good with it.

  i am taking copies of the counsel you ex elders gave to me to be careful about what i say at this "alleged encouragement" meeting and promise you this, i'll watch my words carefully when they ask me questions.

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  Newly Enlightened

  We wish you and Mrs. Flipper the best. Congrats on your exit!

  NE
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  North Korea - U.S - War ?

  by *lost* in

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  2. friends

  things look to be hotting up here.

  scary.. what are the chances of it all kicking off ?.

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  Newly Enlightened

  http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/30/17527380-north-korea-says-it-is-entering-state-of-war-with-south?lite
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  Bobcat, give me your take on this

  by QC in

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  2. beliefs

  bcat, looks like jesus is not michael.

  i just shared this with new member "lost".

  if this is correct it's another big eye opener for the jw r&f.

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  Jesus is not an angel....

  Heb 1:13,14 LBT 13] And did God ever say to an angel, as he does to his son, "Sit here beside me in honor until I crush all your enemies beneath your feet"? 14] No, for the angels are only spirit-messengers sent out to help and care for those who are to receive his salvation.
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  Was Satan Cast Out of Heaven in 1914?

  by Kenneson in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jws christ established his kingdom in the heavens in 1914 and subsequently cast satan out of heaven then.

  and they point to rev.

  12:7-9 for "proof.

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  Newly Enlightened

  Wantingtruth: Good scripture. Thanks